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  • How to specify requirements?
    • Is there something inbetween highly rigorous industrial practices and back of the envelope specifications?
    • synchronization of code and requirements
    • different scenarios, could be iterative process = no single requirement specification
      • often need refinement
      • ISO9000 lite
    • see FDA requirements
      • need method for reporting problems
  • Should we collect and disseminate case studies?
    • Workshop?
    • record processes = best practices manual?
    • sell the development process...
  • How do we develop guidelines for validation?
    • need mechanism to pool our results
    • testing: gathing information, evaluation metrics
    • case data costs money
    • uniform methods/tools for gathering data (e.g., OpenTracker)
    • see Nafis study for methodology for tracking validation - example of how to share methods?
    • NEED consensus on how to evaluate "correctness"
    • "Open Data", just like "Open Source" used to be?
    • suggestion: when designing IRBs, try to broaden a little bit so that the results can be used more widely or more effectively.
    • patient advocacy groups - mechanisms to make data available for patients to share if they wish,
  • Do we need to develop better/additional hardware and software standards for IGT?
    • let the software be the driver by using "open source", at least initially
    • standards problem = no standards and too many standards simultaneously (standards, but not enough agreement) - this is probably not a research problem - where should it come from?
    • e.g., motivation for APIs exist for trackers (due to demand of customer), but for others (e.g., interventional imaging systems) there is less motivation for the manufacturer.
    • NIH play a role in funding industry to develop these standard interfaces (APIs?)
    • portability of standards is important (e.g., explicit support of legacy systems)
    • what is the value proposition for industry to invest into opening interfaces or developing standards?
      • there will always be competing standards - it is up to the marketplace which will win - where is the marketplace located in our community?
      • therapy is smaller niche than diagnostic, how to convince manufacturers of new methods
      • work with imaging people who also need to open up interfaces for new diagnostic methods
      • Chris Hasser: incentive to undustry - take advantage of resources, brain power that are being brought to bear by the research community - low cost and accelerated prototyping
      • shouldn't underestimate amount of engineering required to produce stable API
      • existing hooks exist in most vendor's equipment - until vendors agree on standards, community can contribute work to interface with these interfaces under research agreements,
      • Guy Schechter (Philips): these things are understood
        • need to take the lead and chrystallize the needs (leverage the power of the group)
        • but real power is buying power? research community is often weak!
        • critical mass (need to convince a few companies)
        • standards may need to be narrow in their respective areas in order to be feasible (broad standards will take too much time, or not happen at all)
  • Develop algorithm repositories?
    • awareness - disseminate links to information about things like OpenTracker
    • participants of this workshop should add these links on the workshop wiki
    • perhaps recast: ask companies to permit us to provide a uniform interface, with having them be forced to comply with the interface.
    • hardware knowledge repositories should also be considered,
    • Open Source (1. freely available use) (2. distributed community of contributors)
      • should we choose prototype applications to drive an open interaction?
      • heirarchy of need - simple lab-based tests, versus complex assembly of many modules (IGT-lite and IGT-serious)
      • evolutionary process of developing open collaborations
    • PeterK - how about a forum for user evaluation and comments? (e.g., just like Amazon customer reviews)
      • Insight Journal could host such discussions. Forum for discussion or review.
        • what is the incentive for the review? danger in review bias.
        • won't this just end up evolving into peer review?
    • This community could come together to write requirements to give to industry - agree on common elements of functionality.
      • Larry Clarke: there is dialog between NIST and FDA on this topic
    • FDA/legal/regulatory impact on opening access to machine


  • Database of simulators (see work in the MRI neuro-imaging world)


  • Is there some need for focused study section in this area?
    • absence of reference standards for judging IGT research proposals
    • the community is its own worst enemy - study section
    • what role can NIH play?
    • new study section?
    • how many IGT proposals are actually going in.
      • there is a coding for diseases, but not for technologies, so this is difficult to track. keywords? this group could help define these keywords.
      • e.g., what should we call this community?
      • goal for breakouts: identify keywords